Crystal Waters

 
 


photography by Mat + Kat
styling by Masha Orlov
interview by Mykki Blanco

Crystal Waters is both a legend and an anomaly in the annals of dance music. When her platinum-selling hit “Gypsy Woman (She’s Homeless)” landed in 1991, it didn’t just change the course of house music—it made her an overnight sensation. Like her contemporaries—CeCe Peniston with “Finally,” Robin S. with “Show Me Love,” and Martha Wash’s unmistakable vocals powering Black Box and C+C Music Factory—Waters helped usher house music out of the clubs and onto the radio airwaves and into global pop culture. But “Gypsy Woman” stood apart: while its infectious “la da dee, la da da” hook made it irresistible on the dance floor, its subject matter was strikingly socio-economic, casting light on homelessness against a backdrop of hypnotic organ riffs. It was both a celebration and a critique, a reminder that the euphoria of house always carried with it the shadows of struggle. From working at a probation office in Washington, D.C., to topping international charts, Waters’ rise was meteoric. And the song’s afterlife has been just as enduring: sampled more than a hundred times by artists from T.I. to Alicia Keys to Katy Perry, it continues to ripple across genres. On TikTok, slowed-down edits and remixes of “Gypsy Woman” have introduced the track to Gen Z, who embrace it as both a nostalgic throwback and a fresh soundtrack for irony, glow-ups, and everyday memes. Thirty years later, “Gypsy Woman” is still a mirror—reflecting both the resilience of house music and the social realities it was born to express.

MYKKI BLANCO: For everything you have achieved, not only in electronic and house music, but in defining pop culture itself, you are very humble. What does gratitude mean to you? And is humility a virtue?

CRYSTAL WATERS: No one’s ever asked me this before. Bravo. Gratitude, for me, is everything. It goes back to that saying: you don't know what you got till it's gone. So, you need to appreciate it now. I do a lot of spiritual work and gratitude is one of the biggest things you have to do. You have to be grateful for everything. Humbleness is a very big part of it as well. I remember Quincy Jones said, “Once you start thinking you're better than sliced bread, then it's over for you.” I also know that my creativity comes through me—it is not from me. So, I have to be grateful for the spirit that comes through me. Once you let your ego take over, that's where you see all the problems come in.

BLANCO: What does it mean to be a work in progress?

WATERS: It’s one of the things I like about myself: I always try to make myself better. I always try to learn something new. I always want to try something a little different; not what everybody else is doing, what they're telling you, what you're indoctrinated to do. I like to think that I still am a work in progress.

BLANCO: You were there at the inception of house music culture and you’ve seen the pendulum swing so many times. Why do you think that house music went underground, had a resurgence, then went underground again—and then back and forth again.

WATERS: Isn’t that nice? Well, you know, it started out underground in the ’80s. Frankie Knuckles used to say, “House music is disco's revenge.” After the big disco record burning [in 1979] at Comiskey Park in Chicago, disco had to go underground. What came out of that was house music. I think I was one of the first people who actually crossed over to radio. But that community had been built and it was thriving for a long time. And it was about community. I was one of the lucky ones that crossed over. Then the mainstream got wind of it. And then, you know how the music industry does: they wear it out and once they can’t make any more money off it, they make it go away.

Hip hop came in, and we went back underground. Lucky for me, there was still life in the underground and I got to thrive. There was still money to be made and places to perform. Europe took on house music back in the ’90s. They weren't so good at it, but after a couple years, they learned how to do it and became really good at it. They kept house music alive for a long time. They kept the underground scene going. I haven't seen it come back to mainstream until just recently with Beyoncé and Drake doing those house music albums. And then, all of a sudden, people remember my songs. I think it's important to have that space in the club to be free and to just be yourself. And I think it will always survive and thrive because of that.

BLANCO: I am an artist who has always been openly gay my entire career. In the very beginning, around 2011 and 2012, I had a lot of mainstream artists, like Björk and Kanye West support me. But the general public did not. And so I had to go to Europe to find that success. Why do you think America turns its back on certain kinds of artists, while Europe is always there with open arms?

WATERS: It’s a good question. There’s a long history of Black artists going to Europe to escape racism in America. The Europeans are loyal. They know good music. They love good music. They want to dance. And they have regulations for radio that we don't have here in America. They have to play a certain amount of certain types of music. You can't just play what the record labels tell you to play. This lets other types of genres of music survive. But what is it exactly? It must be a cultural thing.

BLANCO: What defines a class act?

WATERS: I think it’s someone who is talented, humble, and understands. The first person that popped in my head is Diana Ross. That's a classy lady. I'm seeing it from an artist's perspective. You're here with a gift to share with the world. It is not about standing on stage saying, “Look at me, look how pretty I am, and look at what I can do.” And you can tell the attitude of different artists who do and don't do that. A class act is someone who's here to share their gift with the world and understand that's their purpose.

BLANCO: I was listening to the extended version of your latest track “Umm Bop,” which is wonderful by the way. Can you tell me how that came about and what inspires you these days?

WATERS: The producers, ManyFew, they just gave me this track, which has the modern sound of house, but with classic house tinges with strings. When I heard it, I just wanted to do something jazzy. “Umm Bop” came right to me. What inspired me is that urban vibe—more of a street vibe—which I remember from the ’90s. I think the reason why I'm writing these days is I still get inspiration from the music.

BLANCO: “Gypsy Woman” was most definitely not the first song you ever wrote, but it was the first dance song. Can you describe that inner light or that energy that was coming through you at that time?

WATERS: At that time, I wanted to be the next Sade. Look at the “Gypsy Woman” video. I had the ponytail, the red lips, and everything. (laughs) I was writing from more of that kind of vibe. I come from a jazz family, so I think it was more of a jazzy vocal. When I met the Basement Boys and they gave me the track for “Gypsy Woman,” I said, “You know, I have never done house music before.” And they said, “Don't worry about it. We love the style of your writing, so just keep that same style and write over these beats.” Basically, that's just what I did: I kept my same jazzy type vibe and put it over the beats.

BLANCO: I read that your father was a jazz musician. What role has jazz played in your life?

WATERS: Music was always around the house. I remember packing my bags and going on tour with my dad every summer. He would do the lounges at Holiday Inn. Back in the day, it was a big place to have dinner. While he was in the lounge bar, I would sit in the hotel room and go through all his albums. My favorite was Ella Fitzgerald. I always picked up the females, but I loved Ella because no matter how sad the song was, she sounded like she had a smile on her face. She always felt upbeat to me. She never, never over sang the song. And my uncle was Zach Zachary who was a lead saxophonist for MSFB (Mother Father Sister Brother). They did those songs, “Touch Me In The Morning” and “Love Is The Message.” They would hang out all the time and I would get to go backstage whenever they played. I remember watching them and analyzing the music.

BLANCO: You come from quite a musical family!

WATERS: Yep, everybody did something. Everyone played an instrument except me. My father could play anything. My brother could pick up anything and play. My sister played piano.

BLANCO: As a younger woman, you described yourself as relatively shy and introverted. What did it feel like for a shy girl from South Jersey to all of a sudden be a global superstar of a relatively new genre for radio?

WATERS: I hated being shy. I have worked on it for years, but I think it allowed me to sit back and watch. They taught me about the business side of music, about keeping your publishing. And watch out for this and watch out for that.

BLANCO: What a godsend! A lot of people don’t get that.

WATERS: My father said, “You wrote that song, you wrote the lyrics and the melody, they can't do nothing with it without you. Don't let them take any more than they deserve.” So, going from that to crossing over, I think that helped me from the business side of it.

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trackpants: Jeremy Scott for Adidas

BLANCO: What did your first televised performance feel like?

WATERS: I didn’t know what was happening. I’ll be honest. I was sitting at work one day and I got a phone call that said, “You have a hit.” I thought maybe a hit in DC or maybe New York, because club music was just on the East Coast in my mind. I didn't know it was worldwide. The first thing they did was send me to London to do Top of the Pops. I didn't even have a passport. And I had never performed in front of anyone. I flew back on the Concorde and did my first show at The Palladium in New York.

It took maybe two hours of staging before the show, but I went out there and I did it. I had never done it before. And it was great. I always pat myself on the back because I didn't have any fear, which told me that this is what I was meant to do. I should have been terrified. I should have said no, turned around, and ran out the building. But I didn't.

BLANCO: When people talk about God, when they talk about the divine, do you think you were a conduit?

WATERS: It was a calling. It's what I'm mandated to do. So, I do believe that it's coming through.

BLANCO: I know that you have children and you have seen so many seismic shifts in the industry. What is it like to be a mother and be Crystal Waters?

WATERS: Nobody knew I had kids when I started. And they were really young then. So, in the beginning it was very hard because back then you couldn’t be a mother. If someone got pregnant at the label, they got dropped the next day. So, they would hide the fact that I had kids. I didn’t mind it because I was protective. It was also hard because they would pit my being a mother against me doing shows. If I had my kid’s birthday, they would threaten to drop me. And then, I couldn't travel with the kids because I was going through a divorce. So, in the beginning it was really hard.

But right in the middle, when they got to be ten to fourteen, I really got to appreciate it more and be home with my kids. And I will tell you, the kids don't care if you're a star or not. They just want their mommy. Someone at the label said, “You have to be two people. You can't take this Crystal Waters that’s on the road—that star—you can't take her home. Nobody cares about that.” And I have always remembered that. So, when I came home, I always left that Crystal at the door and just became mommy. And it’s still kind of like that.

BLANCO: To riff off that, I wanted to know, do you enjoy cooking? And is there a dish that you make that your family and friends enjoy?

WATERS: I don’t like telling people I cook because the first thing they say is that they’re coming over. Once I became an empty nester, I really stopped cooking. I think the joy of cooking is when you cook for other people. And I always had to cook for large amounts of people, for the family. But I do cook during the holidays.

BLANCO: What’s the dish that everybody wants?

WATERS: You can guess what it is. We do traditional soul food for Christmas. I do fried chicken. We do ribs, we do mac and cheese, greens. It’s very basic, I’m not a real foodie.

BLANCO: I have two more domestic questions for you. Your skin is fabulous. Is there a go-to Crystal Waters skincare routine?

WATERS: Oh, there’s a routine, definitely. But the first one is water. I drink a ton of water, water, water, water. And I do actively take care. I do the facials, I do microneedling. I got more cosmetic creams than I know what to tell you about.

BLANCO: I have one more domestic question: what's your favorite perfume?

WATERS: Tom Ford Jasmine Rouge.

BLANCO: I pretty much fell into songwriting as an extension of my poetry and performing poetry. And the idea of working with music producers was not my own. Actually, my first manager saw me doing a poetry performance and was like, “Have you ever written music? Do you write poetry? And is poetry something that's important in your life?”

WATERS: I started writing poetry when I was really young and I got published. When I started getting into music, I got a job as a background singer. When I got that job, I was like, This is it. This is what I wanna do. I want to sing. And I kept hanging around the studio, hoping to get more work. When I wasn't, I realized I needed to write my own songs. I was like, oh, I know how to write poetry. That’s when I hooked up with a guy on keyboards and we started writing songs together.

BLANCO: Were you a club kid?

WATERS: Yep. I went to Howard University, but I spent a lot of time in the clubs, probably a little bit more than doing my homework. I was in the middle of the dance floor. Wednesday night was a big night.

BLANCO: Do you remember some of the clubs that you used to go to?

WATERS: This was thirty years ago in Washington DC. (laughs) My friends were all DJs and would go clubbing. Afterwards, everybody would come back to my apartment and hang out. And they used to give me all their promo vinyls, because they would get two or three copies. I always wondered why I didn't become a DJ. I guess females didn't do that. But I remember Tiffany’s Drink and Drown night on Wednesdays. That was the best one. I would go out with like a dollar in my pocket, get on the bus, not knowing how I was gonna pay to get in, but I always got in and I always got a ride home.

BLANCO: What are some of your favorite house DJs or house musicians?

WATERS: You know, I know everybody. (laughs) Of course, there’s David Morales and the whole gang from the ’90s. I still listen to them. I'm still good with DJ Spin, out of Baltimore. When I do my podcast, I just love hearing all these new cats coming through. I just like hearing all the new stuff.

BLANCO: When did you start the podcast and what was it about the format that you clicked with?

WATERS: The first podcast I started was back in 2009, called Clubheads Radio. It kept me current and in touch with what was going on. The one I have now, I Am House Radio, has been around about six years. The idea was simple: a place to showcase house music that wasn’t getting heard. There was so much great music out there, before the resurgence: Robin S., Cece Peniston, even my own stuff. If you weren’t in a club, you had nowhere to hear it. I also wanted to give credit where it was due. A lot of tracks are just known by the DJ’s name, but you don’t know who sang or wrote them, and so many of the singers, especially women, weren’t getting recognition.

BLANCO: You strike me as someone who despite all the hits is still quite hungry. So, I just have to ask, are you somebody who's going to be recording for the rest of their days?

WATERS: I'm not going to be stomping across that stage for the rest of my days. Some of my contemporaries are like, “Oh, we’ll do this until the wheels fall off.” I’m like, I don’t know about that. I feel like I have just a couple more things I want to say. I want to get a whole album out of my system.

 

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track jacket: Vintage Adidas
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BLANCO: Can we talk about the documentary that they are making about your life?

WATERS: It just started, but I feel like the documentary isn’t only about me. It’s about what I represent at this point. I have to let people know the history of house music. A lot of people right now think David Guetta started house music. And it’s like, no, he didn’t. As long as I’m alive, I'm going to make sure that story is being told.

BLANCO: What has it been like allowing someone to film your life?

WATERS: It’s not easy. I’m a very private person. I’m not a socialite. I’m not looking for fame in that way. The filmmaker still wants to come to the house, but we’ll see. It’s a little uncomfortable.

BLANCO: And you also have a project coming up where you, Robin S., Cece Peniston, and more are playing some of your biggest hits to a live orchestra. Can you talk about this project, because it sounds remarkable.

WATERS: They’ve been doing this orchestrated dance music stuff in Europe for at least ten years. And they always invite maybe one American over to do it at a time. It’s really an experience to hear the music elevated with the strings. It left a big impression on me. So, I said, “You know, I want to do one. I want to do it here.” I mean, we have all the singers here in New York. It’s our music, you know, let’s bring it home. It’s called “I Am House Orchestrated.” It’s being presented by Susanne Bartsch on November 20th at Sony Hall. Everybody’s doing two songs. They’re doing their own songs and the people who aren’t there, we have background singers. We got Robin S., Cece Peniston, Barbara Tucker, Inaya Day, Black Box, Duane Harden, Dawn Thomas, and more.

BLANCO: This is going to be huge.

WATERS: We have a twenty-two piece orchestra. Next time, I want to go bigger, but we’re starting small. We’ve got all the songs picked and we’re just getting into it. Next month we should be advertising and getting people in there.

BLANCO: Throughout the years, what has been your relationship to fashion?

WATERS: When I first started, everybody wanted to dress me: Armani, Versace, anything, you can name it. It has never been on purpose, but I think back in the ’90s—when fashion and music were merging—that’s just what happened. And I had a lot of big time photographers. They were doing a lot of my photographs. So, I was just in that mode.

BLANCO: Do you have a spiritual practice?

WATERS: Yes, I do. As soon as I wake up, I usually tell myself something positive to have a happy, great day. I do a fifteen to twenty minute meditation. Then, after ten minutes of breath work, I read my spiritual book for about ten to twenty minutes. And then I do a set of prayers. When I have time, I actually write down all my affirmations. So, that takes me about an hour and a half, maybe two hours. Just do one thing at a time. Sometimes, I think I’m doing too much, (laughs) but you know, this is when I’m home and I’m not really traveling and having to catch a flight every day.

BLANCO: Instead of asking what’s next, what are you hoping for in the future?

WATERS: I’m hopeful to expand and grow. I mean, I love music. I will always do music; be a part of music. I’m so grateful that music is a big part of my life. There are so many new opportunities. Traditional ways of making my music have kind of gone, like going with a major label. I want to start getting more behind the scenes. I love the idea of this orchestrated event I’m doing. I also want to do more live streaming events with my radio show. I’m also working on a project to bring the house music experience to a play or experiential format. And I am working on the album. I still have a few more songs to write, so I can’t give you a release date, but it'll either be the end of this year or beginning of next year. That’s what gets me up in the morning.

BLANCO: And then my final question is, if you could tell Crystal Waters at eighteen years old one thing, what would you say to her?

WATERS: You are going to make it. Because at eighteen, I didn’t know if I was going to make it. I’m just talking about in general. So I’m glad I’m still here.

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A HISTORY OF HOUSE MUSIC  

1800s–Early 1900s: Harmonium Roots 

  • 1840s–1850s (Europe & America) – The harmonium (patented c.1840) is invented as a small reed organ. Unlike the pipe organ, it’s portable and affordable, making it a common instrument in middle-class homes, chapels, and schools. Its sustained drones and chords foreshadow the textures of pads and organ stabs in house. 

  • Late 1800s–1900s (Colonial Africa & South Asia) – Missionaries bring the harmonium to India, West Africa, and East Africa. 

  • In India, it becomes central to bhajans and qawwali devotional music, with its droning quality shaping ecstatic song structures. 

  • In Nigeria, Ghana, and coastal West Africa, the harmonium is incorporated into church music and later blends with highlife and juju. 

  • Its portability allows African congregations to create call-and-response hymns with organ chords, a structure that mirrors the later relationship of house divas with pulsing synths. 

  • 1930s–40s – Gospel quartets and African-American churches use organs and harmoniums for ecstatic worship. The spiritual repetition and layering of harmonium chords in hymns prefigures the way house tracks build momentum around a looping vamp. 
     

1950s–1970s: Foundations of Groove 

  • 1950s – In Chicago and Detroit, R&B groups use the Hammond organ (a harmonium descendant). The lush, swelling organ tone is a direct ancestor of the M1 organ stab that would define ’90s house. 

  • 1960s–70s – African musicians fuse the harmonium and Western organs with local rhythms. Fela Kuti’s Afrobeat includes organ drones layered against polyrhythms, a rhythmic interplay that feels house-like in repetition.

Disco, European Disco & Italo Synth Influence 

Before house coalesced in Chicago, European electronic disco was already shaping the sounds DJs would later manipulate. 

  • Giorgio Moroder (Italy, 1977): “I Feel Love” with Donna Summer introduced hypnotic arpeggiated synth basslines, a mechanical pulse, and repetitive song structures that presaged house loops and trance-like grooves. 

  • Italo Disco (late 1970s–early 1980s): Italian producers (Gazebo, Righeira, Klein + M.B.O.) created synthesizer-heavy tracks with driving four-on-the-floor beats, catchy melodies, and minimal vocals. These records circulated via European clubs, record imports, and mixtapes. 

  • UK Synthpop: Bands like Depeche Mode, New Order, and Yazoo blended sequenced synthesizers, drum machines, and melodic hooks—offering a palette of textures for early Chicago DJs to sample, re-edit, and integrate into extended mixes. 
     

Early 1980s: Birth of House in Chicago 

  • 1981–83 – Frankie Knuckles, resident DJ at the Warehouse (Chicago), uses reel-to-reel edits of disco and European synthpop to extend grooves. House emerged from Black, Latinx and queer club communities seeking ecstatic, inclusive dance spaces — the sound and culture grew together. The term “house” comes from this club. 

  • Around the same time, Ron Hardy (DJ at the Music Box) pushes the sound darker, faster, and more experimental, cementing house as underground and raw. 

  • Vince Lawrence collaborates with Jesse Saunders on early house singles and helps define its DIY production ethos. 

  • 1983 – Jesse Saunders’ “On and On” is released — often called the first house record. It fuses a drum machine (Roland TR-808) with repetitive basslines and minimal vocals. 

  • Trax Records (founded 1984) becomes the main label for Chicago house, releasing many of the genre’s most iconic early tracks. 

  • 1984–85 – Marshall Jefferson, Chip E., and Farley “Jackmaster” Funk experiment with deeper piano and organ-driven house tracks. 
     

Mid–Late 1980s: The Classics Emerge 

This is the golden phase of Chicago and New York house, with many iconic records that laid the groundwork for the ’90s diva era. 

  • 1985 – Farley “Jackmaster” Funk & Jesse Saunders – “Love Can’t Turn Around” 
    Gospel-style vocals by Darryl Pandy bring theatricality to house. 

  • 1986 – Chip E. – “Time to Jack” 
    One of the first records to explicitly reference “jacking,” a style of dance tied to house culture. 

  • 1986 – Steve “Silk” Hurley – “Jack Your Body” 
    A minimal, percussive house track that hit #1 on the UK charts, proving house’s global potential. 

  • 1987 – Marshall Jefferson – “Move Your Body (The House Music Anthem)” 
    The first piano house anthem, blending gospel ecstasy with pounding four-on-the-floor beats. 

  • 1987 – Mr. Fingers (Larry Heard) – “Can You Feel It” 
    A landmark deep house track—smoother, jazzy, atmospheric. Establishes “deep house” as distinct from raw Chicago house. 

  • 1987 – Frankie Knuckles & Jamie Principle – “Baby Wants to Ride” 
    Political house: combining gospel fervor with civil rights critique.” 

  • 1988 – Royal House – “Can You Party” 
    Sample-heavy house emphasizing the party/jack culture of the late ’80s. 

Chicago Meets Detroit 

  • While Chicago refined house, Detroit’s Belleville Three (Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May) were creating techno, a futuristic, machine-driven electronic sound. 

  • Inner City (Kevin Saunderson & Paris Grey, 1988–1989) exemplifies the dialogue between Chicago and Detroit: soulful house vocals meet Detroit’s mechanical synth precision, creating tracks that resonated in clubs and on international charts. 

  • This cross-pollination highlights the early transregional conversation between two American electronic music hubs. 

 

1988–1990: Acid, Ibiza & UK Expansion 

  • 1987–1988: Phuture’s “Acid Tracks” introduces the squelchy TB-303 sound that defines acid house. 

  • Ibiza’s Role: Legendary clubs like Amnesia, Pacha, and Ku provided multi-day, open-air party spaces where DJs could experiment with extended, hypnotic sets. European DJs visiting from the UK and beyond absorbed these tracks and styles. 

  • Second Summer of Love (1988–1989): Ibiza DJs and imported Chicago/Detroit tracks fueled the UK rave scene. Ecstasy use and the island’s permissive club culture amplified the euphoric, communal experience of house. 

  • Vinyl, cassette mixes, and pirate radio ensured house tracks spread rapidly, establishing a European house identity deeply indebted to American roots.

  • UK DJs pick up Chicago house and acid tracks, remixing and extending them, creating the blueprint for UK rave culture. 

  • House music’s combination of Chicago groove, Detroit futurism, and Ibiza’s euphoric environment sets the stage for the 1990s “diva era” and global house explosion. 
     

1990–1993: Mainstream Breakthrough (The Diva Era) 

This is when house formally enters pop culture consciousness—led by Black women whose voices redefined the genre’s global reach. 

  • 1990 – Snap! – “The Power” (not pure house but house-adjacent eurodance) primes mainstream audiences for house vocals. 

  • 1991 – Crystal Waters – “Gypsy Woman (She’s Homeless)” 
    A hypnotic organ riff + minimalist groove + “la da dee, la da da” hook. An overnight global hit, reshaping house as chart-ready. 

  • 1991 – CeCe Peniston – “Finally” 
    Written from a poem, delivered with gospel ecstasy. A quintessential diva-house anthem, topping the US dance charts and hitting international pop charts. 

  • 1992 – Masters at Work (Little Louie Vega & Kenny Dope) begin remix dominance 
    Their remixes (for Madonna, Barbara Tucker, etc.) solidify New York vocal house with Latin percussion and gospel vocals. 

  • 1993 – Robin S. – “Show Me Love” (StoneBridge Remix) 
    Defined by its sharp M1 organ stab riff. Becomes one of the most recognizable house tracks of all time. 
     

Mid–Late 1990s: Consolidation & Global Reach 

  • 1994 – Barbara Tucker – “I Get Lifted” continues the gospel-house tradition. 

  • 1996 – Armand Van Helden – “The Funk Phenomena” blends funk with house, moving toward big-beat styles. 

  • 1997 – Daft Punk – Homework brings French house worldwide, looping disco with raw machine grooves. 

  • 1999 – Stardust – “Music Sounds Better With You” becomes an international house-pop anthem. 
      

2000s: House Goes Global & Splits into Subgenres 

  • 2000–2003: Vocal House & Diva Legacy 

  • Barbara Tucker, Ultra Naté, and India continue gospel-inspired house. 

  • CeCe Peniston and Robin S. are celebrated as icons, frequently performing at Pride festivals and club events, keeping their hits alive in queer dance culture. 

  • Crystal Waters tours internationally, her tracks remixed by new DJs. 

  • 2001 – Daft Punk’s Discovery 

  • Songs like “One More Time” bring house into mainstream pop consciousness. The robotic vocoder vocals echo the repetitive trance of house divas, but filtered through French touch. 

  • 2005–2008: Electro-House Boom 

  • DJs like David Guetta, Steve Angello, and Benny Benassi push a harder, club-ready sound. 

  • This “superstar DJ” wave temporarily sidelines soulful diva house in favor of festival energy. 

Mid-2000s: European Labels & Nu-Disco Revival 

Ed Banger Records (France) 

  • Founded: 2003 by Pedro Winter (Busy P). 

  • Sound: French electro-house with punchy synths, playful hooks, and punk-inspired energy. 

  • Notable Artists: Justice (D.A.N.C.E.), SebastiAn, Mr. Oizo, Breakbot. 

  • Impact: Popularized a high-energy, club-friendly French electro aesthetic that reinterpreted house structures for international festival stages. 
     

Italians Do It Better (Brooklyn/Italo Influence) 

  • Founded: 2006 by Johnny Jewel and Mike Simonetti. 

  • Sound: Slow, synth-heavy, retro Italo-disco revival with dreamy, cinematic grooves. 

  • Notable Artists: Glass Candy, Chromatics, Desire, Mirage. 

  • Impact: Revived the hypnotic, melodic loops of classic Italo disco, influencing nu-disco and synthwave, and connecting European electronic traditions to contemporary house-inspired music. 

  • *2009 – Black Eyed Peas – “I Gotta Feeling” (prod. David Guetta) 

  • House structure + pop vocals = a blueprint for the EDM-pop hybrid of the 2010s. 

 

2010s: EDM Era & House Revival 

  • 2010–2015: Big-Room EDM & Crossover 

  • Swedish House Mafia, Avicii (“Levels”), and Calvin Harris dominate. The sound is bigger, shinier, festival-scale, often removing the gospel/organ roots of house. 

  • Yet, samples of Robin S. and CeCe Peniston’s vocal styles appear in remixes and mashups. 

  • 2012 – Disclosure – “Latch” (ft. Sam Smith) 

  • Marks the return of deep house to the charts. UK garage and house hybrid, but deeply indebted to 1990s vocal house structure. 

  • 2015 – Robin S.’s “Show Me Love” resurges 

  • Sampled in countless EDM tracks, from Jason Derulo’s “Don’t Wanna Go Home” to Robin Schulz’s remixes. The organ stab remains a universal shorthand for “house.” 

  • 2016–2018: Afro-House & Global Sounds 

  • Artists like Black Coffee (South Africa) globalize house by re-centering African rhythmic traditions—a full circle, since the harmonium and organ had once traveled to Africa with missionaries. 

  • This brings house closer to its African diasporic heartbeat. 
     

2020s: House Revival in Pop (The Diva Returns) 

  • 2020–21: Lockdown Streaming 

  • House classics like CeCe Peniston’s “Finally” and Crystal Waters’ “Gypsy Woman” see streaming spikes as younger audiences rediscover 1990s house. 

  • 2022 – Beyoncé – Renaissance 

  • A watershed moment: Beyoncé reclaims house as Black, queer-rooted dance music. 

  • “Break My Soul” directly samples Robin S.’s “Show Me Love” organ stabs, a deliberate homage. 

  • The album overall echoes Crystal Waters’ minimalist grooves and CeCe Peniston’s gospel ecstasy. 

  • 2022 – Drake – Honestly, Nevermind 

  • Drake’s pivot to house-inspired beats (produced by Black Coffee and others) signals mainstream rap’s recognition of house’s cultural dominance. 

  • 2023–2025: Ongoing House Renaissance 

  • Younger artists like Honey Dijon, TSHA, and Peggy Gou bring soulful and global flavors back into the club scene. 

  • CeCe Peniston, Robin S., and Crystal Waters are regularly sampled, remixed, and honored as foundational figures. 

  • TikTok virality breathes new life into “Gypsy Woman,” “Finally,” and “Show Me Love,” often introduced to Gen Z in snippets that bring them back into charts.

Venera

interview by Oliver Kupper
photography by Lolita Eno
styling by Peri Rosenzweig

From the 1960s through the 1980s, the Soviets launched a fleet of probes toward Venus in what became the legendary Venera program—it was the first time human-made machines captured and returned images and sounds from another planet. What they revealed was staggering: a furnace-world of sulphuric skies, crushing pressure, and an atmosphere as brutal as it is apocalyptic. Drawing from that legacy, the experimental duo Venera—Korn guitarist and co-founder James “Munky” Shaffer and filmmaker/composer Chris Hunt—conjure a synth-driven cosmos just as mysterious and merciless. Their music is a psychological hymn to interplanetary Venusian travel, a soundtrack for drifting through toxic mists and colliding with the planet’s hostile refusal of organic life. But it is also something closer: an original score for our age of unraveling, a psychic reverberation of a society at the edge of rupture. Their sophomore album, EXINFINITE (out September 2025 on PAN), featuring the spectral voices of FKA twigs, Chelsea Wolfe, and Dis Fig, plunges deeper than their 2023 debut—heavier, darker, and more unrelenting. Shaffer’s guitar riffs—instrumental in shaping Korn’s signature sound—mutate here into foreboding, unbound chord progressions. Hunt, through his singular worldbuilding of sound and visceral pulsations, conjures soundscapes that shift from the eerily spectral to a violent primordium. Together, they navigate a shared sonic language, exploring the liberating force of experimentation and the transformative power of collaboration. The result is a nightmarish, chthonic vision—at once beautiful and orchestral. In the following conversation, Shaffer and Hunt delve into the origins of Venera, which began with an early studio session during work with Xhoana X and was further sparked when Korn commissioned Hunt to create pre-show music for their 2022 Requiem Tour.

 
 

OLIVER KUPPER: I want to start with the inception of Venera, which began around 2022 in Los Angeles when you were both recording with Xhoana X. Can you talk about the beginnings of your collaboration?

JAMES “MUNKY” SHAFFER: We needed somebody to design pre-show music for Korn’s Requiem Tour. He and I had already been working together, so I knew right away that Chris is very talented as a filmmaker and in creating sound design. During the Korn tour, Chris and I were already diving into some pre-recorded materials that we had. We went through the sequencing of the first Venera record and finalized some of the first recordings. I don't think we even had a label at that point.

CHRIS HUNT: From there, James and I got back together in LA and we really started to go down the rabbit hole together.

KUPPER: Chris, can you talk about what drew you into this sonic collaboration?

HUNT: James and I share a mutual love and language with which we communicate to one another sonically. In this record, there's a density and an intensity to what we both are drawn to in terms of sound. Our friendship and collaboration is an extension of that landscape. It's these very general kinds of genre terms, I guess. But there are certainly components of soundtrack stuff, ambient music, and part heavy music. I didn't necessarily grow up a huge Korn person, or even a huge metal person, but I always had an affinity for noise music and different heavier music. There's this nexus or a matrix of those elements, sounds, and aesthetics that were very common to both of us and still are.

 
 
 
 
 
 

KUPPER: Can you take me through your collaborative process? What does that experience look like in the studio?

SHAFFER: It's so much fun. Chris will grab a few pieces of equipment, whether there's a drum machine, a small synth, or a desktop synth. I'll get my guitar with a couple of my favorite pedals, because I'm always looking for new sounds to take me into another world outside the guitar, even though that's my medium. Then, we'll get together in the studio. We did a lot of stuff at my old studio in downtown LA. We'll kind of start slowly, dipping our toes into some sounds, and we'll look at each other and be like, yeah, that's cool, let's go with this. We don't talk about tempo or keys a lot right off the cuff. It comes from improvising and finding a common path, letting that dictate where it goes; we each let the other pull us back and forth. One of the things I love that Chris and I do is that intensity and density he mentioned, where comfort can grow from this discomfort. If I’m in a bad mood and something negative happens, I would only see this darkness. I think that's the beauty of some of the things we recorded—when you listen, you can feel a certain tone, and it can be this beautiful noise.

HUNT: This tension is an interesting way to describe it. For the past five years, every time we've gotten together has been equally joyful, inspiring, and productive. On one side of the spectrum, in terms of how we work and explore our practice, it’s a very easy, unfolding, joyful kind of flow. On the other side, I take our recorded materials and obsess over them to a very granular detail. I’ll take one bar at a time and identify clusters of materials like they’re pieces of a puzzle. Then, we talk about what the puzzle needs to be and start putting the pieces together. It feels very fulfilling. There's a lot of inspiration and joy behind doing that work, but it's also a lot of labor.

SHAFFER: Chris has this really unique ability to listen on a macro level. You know, when you're looking at something and on the surface it’s not so interesting. But when you look at it under a microscope, you start to see all these textures, this interesting landscape, and you start to expand on it. He's really great at creating a whole world within a world. It's one of the reasons why I love working with him.

KUPPER: It's very rare to meet somebody that you have this creative synergy with.

SHAFFER: Definitely. When we first started to record, we were having so much fun. The satisfaction of having no boundaries—there’s no guardrails when we record, no box we need to fit in. We’re just creating from complete artistic passion and creativity, not for a single on the radio. There’s an openness and freedom to that. It’s very rare to me. I’ve worked with several people through the years, but except for the band, Chris is the only one I’ve had this connection with on a creative level. We share the same creative vocabulary.

KUPPER: Do you feel like all that freedom was jarring after years of being in a band that was forced to produce hits to satisfy a record label?

SHAFFER: It’s a relief. There's a lotof pressure that I don't have any more. I feel liberated.

HUNT: We have our own language. We hope that it exists in a different space than Korn’s music does. Obviously, with the utmost respect and appreciation for that work, it’s amazing and legendary, but the language of the music here is just a little different. For us, a lot of it is driven by the process of exploring.

SHAFFER: When I'm working with the guys in the band, I'll write something at home and take it in and we’ll check it out together and build on it. When Chris and I are working, we want to discover where this experiment will lead us, we want to discover what grows in the lab.

KUPPER: The language is fascinating—you’re teasing the album with striking, dark, poetic texts by Amy Ireland. Can you talk about the textual and visual language behind it?

HUNT: Generally, it functions in two disparate but also harmonious ways. On a simple level, I just wanted an interesting language to accompany what we share about the music during the release process, publicity, and social media. Because so much of these processes are tied to the social media landscape, I’d much rather have another texture or layer we care about—something that helps fill out the story of the music. Then there’s the other part: using text. Imagery or text isn’t particularly new, but finding people connected to the world we feel the music lives in, who speak a similar language, is. With this, we’re letting them exist in that world in a very open way while adding a layer of their own—either narrative or an expansion of the concepts we’re exploring. In the most recent work, it’s Amy Ireland. She’s such a brilliant thinker and writer. I know her work through xenofeminism and her connection to CCRU [Cybernetic Culture Research Unit] in the UK.

KUPPER: You guys are bringing in Dis Fig, FKA Twigs, and Chelsea Wolfe. How does that process work, reaching out to these people and collaborating with these other musicians?

SHAFFER: When we are recording the songs and Chris is digging through, he will suggest things like, maybe this track will be interesting with vocals on it, and maybe it could be a female voice because it feels feminine. Then, we come up with a wishlist of interesting people who might help the track, and we give them a palette or a canvas to do their thing. We’re totally open, which is why when we reach out to them, they’re also open. Once they hear the music, they want to create their own thing over it. It’s fun because we get to create a wishlist, go through it, and contact people. It’s not a long list, honestly; it’s mostly through existing relationships. I mean, I don’t know Radiohead (laughs), so it seems like it would be difficult to reach Thom Yorke, which could be another amazing collaborative moment. We try to reach within our own network and connect with people who are interesting and talented.

HUNT: This project has been interesting and fulfilling, and the collaborative aspect of it is an extension of the way James and I work as well. At the same time, it’s also very focused on what it is and what we want it to be, and the process with James and me—the way we work—has been very resonant with everybody we have reached out to. Every vocalist who has contributed to the project has done so in such a smooth and inspiring way. It has been almost shocking how little challenge or back-and-forth there has been. It’s been such an interesting gift.

 
 
 
 

KUPPER: Do they come to the studio, or just send audio tracks or layers?

HUNT: FKA Twigs was the only person we got to spend a day with in the studio, which was a magical set of circumstances. For that track, James and I had a list of materials that we thought might be interesting for her to sing on, based on her previous work. When we got into the room and started playing these things, she was totally disinterested in every idea we had. But fortunately, because of the nature of how we work—how much capturing and accumulating sound and material process we have—I was able to just open a big folder of stuff and offer her more ideas to choose from. There was a very random part of one of the rough ideas that she liked, so we started expanding and chopping it up in the moment with her.

SHAFFER: Yeah, she was such a pro. Watching her process of creating this fresh track was really inspiring—she went in, laid down her background vocals, then her main vocal. Usually, people work on tracks for six weeks or more, but with her, it took six hours, and the song was done. It was incredible.

KUPPER: How do you think this album differs from the earlier ones? What do you think your take is on the evolution of it?

HUNT: It’s a similar level of openness in terms of experimentation for us in the process, but experimental in a different way. It’s not rigid, but a bit more structured. There is generally more percussion with drums and rhythm throughout, and the ideas are a little more succinct.

SHAFFER: It feels more structured, and yet it’s the same world that we created on the first album. But there’s an expansion and more focus on some of the details of that world.

KUPPER: James, you mentioned Thom Yorke. But Chris, who's a dream collaborator for you?

HUNT: Oh, man, I have him right here on this Zoom call. (laughs) I really don’t have a good answer for that. I feel like the dream collaborator is yet to come. We have to make the dream music for it to reveal who the dream collaborator is.

KUPPER: James, this project feels like such a deeply intellectual side to your sound and musical philosophy. What do you think fans of Korn might misunderstand about you through this music, and what do you hope to clarify about this side of your musical output compared to Korn?

SHAFFER: For me, it’s an extension to experiment deeper into what I love, which is designing sound. I can design sounds on Korn records, but they are more riff-based. This is another branch of what I love: ambient music, electronic music, while still having guitar-driven elements and some aggressive drums. It also goes back to when the band first started. When Korn first started, I always loved John Zorn records—this crazy noise stuff. And then, I heard a Mr. Bungle album and saw that Zorn was the producer. I did some research and found out he is a saxophone player, but also a producer with projects like Naked City and other interesting works. That opened the doors for me and kept me inspired to create things like this. It also challenges some of our fans to step into that world with me, whether they like it or not. I hope they find something interesting in it and understand that it is just another creative way for me to express myself, both through the instrument and music, and also contribute to the visuals, creating a new extension of who I am.

KUPPER: What are you both working on now, individually?

SHAFFER: We’re working on a third album, and we have a lot of materials I don't want to describe prematurely. It's exciting, and it feels like a new branch that's sprouting in this world that we've already created and that's taking root.

HUNT: The thing that's been so lucky about James and me is that we’ve been working basically anytime we see each other, for two or three days. It’s sort of a double-edged sword because we're constantly productive, but it also means there's a mountain of material. And what I love about the project is that it’s a work in progress in a deep way—we’re constantly evolving.

SHAFFER: I look at it as us being sonic explorers—we keep trying to find new caves and new landscapes to either create or explore and see where it takes us. There's just so much creative satisfaction in it. Especially when you discover something new, it's very satisfying to the creative soul. We have so much music; it's crazy. And it's all interesting. When Chris goes in to find the moments that have that magic inside of them, it's like stepping into a whole other world. We also like to go to a few different studios around LA because each one brings out a different texture and adds elements we weren’t expecting, whether it’s the mic positions on the drums, how I’m set up, the amp I’m using, or just the character of the room itself. We really get inspired by different spaces. The more we explore different rooms, the more we discover. We haven’t done anything outdoors yet, which would be really interesting to see what comes from that kind of improvisation in an open space. That’s definitely on our list.

HUNT: There are definitely some sounds on this record that stand out. Specifically, we used field recordings and found sounds. Chelsea Wolfe’s music partner, Ben Chisholm—who worked with her on her part of the track—actually contributed some of those recordings. I think they sounded like wind or something alongthose lines. It was really interesting material and caught us by surprise in the best way.