These days, being an indie musician is harder than ever and no one knows that better than Aussie based Alex Cameron and his βbusiness partnerβ and saxophonist Roy Molloy who have been on tour for three years supporting Cameronβs various releases. Next month, Cameron will release his official debut album, entitled Jumping The Shark on Secretly Canadian. The album is very much a collage of disillusionment β disillusionment with the music industry, love and life in general. Itβs a raw album that howls with the sentiment of an artist that has been raked over the coals more than once. But itβs not all doom and gloom β these βfour minute talesβ of failed ambition and self-destruction that comprise the upcoming album are really relatable, listenable and offer a sense of catharsis akin to copping a fix. Cameronβs darkness is evident, but behind the devilish disguise is a brilliant songwriter belting out mythical, Homeresque lyrics in a deep monotone that recalls Ian Curtis or the late Alan Vega. Henry Rollins, of Black Flag, once described Cameron as being "right out of a David Lynch hell dream.β Currently, Cameron and Molloy are touring through Europe. We got a chance to catch up with them in at a bowling alley in London right after the United Kingdom βbrexitedβ from the EU. The darkness of those events add another even layer of pall over this interview, which explores tour life, global catastrophe, and finding yourself through a deep sense of self-pity.
JESSICA GWYNETH: Youβve officially finished with the UK portion with your tour for an album about failure. You couldnβt have picked a more ironic time to be here. What has the past week been like for the both of you?
ALEX CAMERON: I donβt know if I see irony, but I definitely see suitability. The album weβve written is growing in relevance. The way I see our work is itβs like a thread that moves forward, communicating with the future. Itβs not just about the present itβs a comment about what is on its way as well. So if weβre asked how we feel to be in the UK right now and if weβre feeling that itβs ironic to be here given that we write about failure, it just feels suitable, it feels relevant, it feels what weβre doing is appropriate to our work.
ROY MOLLOY: Itβs not ironic, itβs beautiful.
CAMERON: Itβs quite beautiful, really, suitable. We feel good. I feel disgruntled by the way things have happened here and we feel empathy because of the way things have happened in Australia as well because itβs quite similar, politically. And when we write about failure. Our message is also primarily about overcoming those failures and celebrating, so personally I think itβs high time that the youth step up and started to play a bigger role in what happens politically around the world, because I think that the longer you spend alive as a human the more jaded you become. Itβs all cyclical so youβre not around long enough to realize that everything thatβs happening has happened before.
ROY MOLLOY: You saw it happening in Sydney... 30% of people under 25 voted. Same thing back in Australia, they said, βAh itβs an apathetic generation, people donβt show up and donβt do their parts politically.β Then as soon as people started hitting the streets and protesting and shit, theyβve put in a bunch of laws prohibiting that and giving out jail times. Theyβre going to blame me for not voting and when I do theyβre gonna shit their pants.
GWYNETH: Are there any particular cities along the tour that youβre looking forward to the most?
CAMERON: Budapest. Weβre touring with Mac Demarco and heβs basically selling out everywhere so I think itβs going to be a lot of fun for us. Itβs great that he invited us. Weβre good friends and heβs really generous with his success. He likes to invite people that heβs friends with and appreciates their music so well. And for us itβs about the hustle, so doing Eastern Europe is a big thing for us because our music hasnβt really reached that part of the world yet. Iβm looking forward to Budapest and Iβm looking forward to Vienna as well.
GWYNETH: Yeah itβs supposed to be really great in Vienna.
MOLLOY: People keep asking us if weβve got a fan base in Eastern Europe but I donβt think we do. Thatβs not how you get a fan base, you know? You get it by doing hot shows and making people feel the love and pay attention.
GWYNETH: So far youβve been touring with Unknown Mortal Orchestra and Mac Demarco. Is the vibe significantly different depending on who you share a stage with?
CAMERON: Yeah, they all have different audiences and have different vibes. Our job is to make sure we stay consistent. A lot of people sort of feel the need to discuss whether or not itβs relevant for a support act, but itβs never a discussion for us. Itβs never about being suitable, itβs whether or not we can win over an audience no matter who weβre opening for. And the answer is always yes. We just have to focus on what our job is, which is performing our songs and doing our set. The stronger you are in what you do as an artist, the more successful the experience.
GWYNETH: And Angel Olsen will be joining you in the States. Not only is her sound a definite departure from a lot of your current tour mates but yours as well. Have you played together in the past or is this a completely new experience for you?
CAMERON: Weβve been trying to tour with Angel for the last couple of years because weβre friends. We were on the same festival circuit in Australia a couple years ago and thatβs how we met, but I think what we share or what I think I share with Angel as songwriters is that weβre kind of both not concerned about whether or not weβre departing or remaining the same. The concern is about trying to reach some degree of transcendence and truth in songwriting. And I think it applies to performance as well, itβs about putting on a great show. The more different we are as performers, the more exciting it is. Itβd be dull if it was three of us doing the exact same thing. So weβre or Iβm excited--are you excited?
MOLLOY: Yeah definitely, you donβt want to be like a crappier version of the band youβre touring. [laughs]
CAMERON: If you do a really fuckinβ excellent version of what you do, people go βholy smokes thatβs excitingβ.
GWYNETH: Your new album, βJumping the Sharkβ is described as a collection of four-minute tales that provide insight into inner workings of failed ambitions and self-destruction. Are there any recent events in your life that inspired the album or is it more based on your life overall?
CAMERON: Itβs based on a sense of self-pity that can be generated inside someone from inactivity and/or high ambition. I think weβre real ambitious guys and we donβt see the ceiling of what we do. Weβre expecting a lot of ourselves in terms of work, rate, and degrees of success, so itβs just our way of commenting on the vast feeling of sadness you can experience if you donβt match those expectations with work. The songs are all based on things that have happened to me or Roy, or our friends and family, of what just altered them to fit into this one singular world where these stories trail on or mark the other. For anything particular that inspired it?
MOLLOY: The fear of global catastrophe.
CAMERON: The fear of global catastrophe is a big one, lots of substance abuse, trying to find a way to release the self or the shame that builds up over the course of your life, because thereβs so many embarrassing things that Iβve done that youβve just gotta get through it and find a way to turn it into something positive. We like to call where we operate in as the βno-judgement-zoneβ. We donβt like to judge anyone but that doesnβt mean weβre not going to talk about what we absolutely need to talk about.
GWYNETH: In 2014 you released a short documentary that chronicled your experience at South By Southwest. In it you state, βI wonder of those fortunate enough to adore their own faults in a mirror of success.β Is this excerpt a foreshadowing of the current album in any way?
MOLLOY: I forgot about that quote, I like that one.
CAMERON: I guess those two things are kind of unrelated. Thatβs me just contemplating on what itβd feel like to be successful. The album βJumping the Sharkβ doesnβt speak directly about success but speaks directly about failure. I donβt think it has anything to do with the album, though.
GWYNETH: Aside from your solo work, you are also one third of Seekae, a critically acclaimed Sydney-based electronic group. Are there any major life lessons youβve learned from as a group?
CAMERON: Just to stay in control of what you do and not rest on the fact that people out there are saying they want to help you with your music. It doesnβt matter if you sign a contract with a small label or a big label, you just gotta make sure that theyβre the right people to work with. Because when youβre starting out as a musician, a lot of people will tell you theyβre going to help you, but I donβt know, theyβre kinda collecting little toys, you know? Musicians have become little collective items for these rich kids who say they have labels. Itβs kind of weird. But the lesson I learned from that was to maintain control over your work and workload and if you want it to be more, go and get some work. Donβt sit around because someone says theyβre gonna help you.
GWYNETH: Do you prefer being in the studio or being on stage?
CAMERON: Theyβre just so different. I donβt know, I like them both. Right now I like being on stage because weβre touring but in the studio itβs also electric.
MOLLOY: Itβs like playing basketball on the court by yourself or being on the team--itβs all good.
GWYNETH: What is most exciting and what is most difficult about being on tour?
CAMERON: The most exciting thing is that sense of work of getting paid cash off the show and getting those rewards that you think and wonder if theyβre still out there...You donβt find them but theyβre there. The most challenging part?
MOLLOY: Thatβs the easiest part to answer. [laughs] Donβt worry kids, get out there and do it! But keep it positive, you know?
CAMERON: Itβs work so it is what you make of it. Sticking to a schedule can be a little bit difficult but make sure you brush your teeth, have clean socks ready in the morning, and...
MOLLOY: Pack your bags the night before.
GWYNETH: And do you have any plans once the tour is over?
MOLLOY: This is a never-ending tour as far as we can tell.
CAMERON: Yeah weβve been gone for three years.
GWYNETH: Youβre not taking any time to decompress?
CAMERON: I think we have time here and there but really, we donβt see this as some special vacation. This is work and if you work you get a three-week break per year.
MOLLOY: Itβd be nice to see family on Christmas.
CAMERON: Yeah. We got more music to record and write. I donβt know, you gotta think about this as something weβre doing that is 24/7.
MOLLOY: Weβre not doing this because weβre seeking escape from the 9-5, you know?
CAMERON: Yeah, this is our job now.
Alex Cameron's debut album Jumping The Shark will be out on August 19 via Secretly Canadian - preorder it here. He will also be touring with Angel Olsen in the United States this fall - see tour dates here. Interview and photographs by Jessica Gwyneth. Intro text by Oliver Maxwell Kupper. Follow Autre on Instagram: @AUTREMAGAZINE
