Between Language & Flesh: An Interview with An L.A. Dominatrix

What’s your pleasure? – There is a good chance that Mistress Rebecca Knox will satiate your every desire. With her copper-red hair, porcelain white skin and soulful, magnetic eyes that recall Brigitte Helm in Fritz Lang’s Metropolis, Knox is a throwback to an era before BDSM was revved up by industrial goth music and giggled at by wine drinking morning talk show hosts. A time before sadomasochism was commercialized and commoditized. A time when sadomasochism existed in secret dungeons – like dark churches for the religion of domination and erotic subjugation. Indeed, Knox carefully balances between the performative aspect of her career and the fact that she is providing a real service for individuals whose desires exist on the deep fringes of sexuality’s multitudinous spectrum. Her specialties include cock bondage, financial domination, forced weight loss, flogging and much more. Based on her reviews by clients, men literally beg to be tortured by her, to serve her and to be disciplined by her. They are deeply aroused by the pain she inflicts. Knox is also highly knowledgeable about her trade and she takes it very seriously. In her regular life, though, Mistress Knox goes by Audra – a grower of orchids, a collector of erotic ephemera, and an artist (she sees art as her primary passion) who is currently in the process of getting ready for an art show in March. Her work brings to mind references of the blood-spatter works of the Vienna Actionists and a distinctly early punk ethos. In the following enlightening interview, Ms. Knox talks about her own desires, her unique profession and the wrestling of her own double personas. 

AUTRE: Can you describe your first BDSM experience – your first bondage experience ever?

REBECCA KNOX: My first bondage/BDSM experience was probably my sister tying me to a tree when we were kids (we have photographic proof) or walking me like a dog, among other things I’m sure. In this sense, I’m kind of surprised I’m not super subbie. But, my first “adult” bondage/BDSM experience happened by chance. I was still in high school and working at the local dry cleaners. A guy came in one night and spilled his guts about how he loved wearing women’s clothes and I ran with it. I was curious. He was actually very unstable with a drug problem, among other things, but I wanted to know more about his fetish or why this troubled him and tried to help him feel comfortable in his skin. Growing up in the area I did, there was always a quiet facade of decency, this “everything's fine” mentality that seemed to reward suppressing aspects of yourself, and I always felt like it was polite bullshit. This experience proved me right, like people were dying to get out or let loose. I remember feeling like, “I found the underbelly – yes!”

AUTRE: Do you ever refuse clients – and are there deal breakers or things that you put your foot down on (and not in a sexual way)?

KNOX: Why do people always kind of assume anyone who works in the sex industry is the carnal equivalent to that kid in school who will eat anything for a dollar? Yes, I do turn people away. I can usually tell in an initial email or phone contact if we’re going to be compatible or not, just by their grammar or syntax. Sometimes it’s obvious, like when a guy doesn’t use proper subject/verb agreements, or it can be something off-putting in a tone of voice or certain “requirements” they have. Doesn’t mean they’re bad guys, just not my cup of tea. They probably wouldn’t have a great session and neither would I, so I pass. I don’t have any hard limits aside from the obvious (no children, animals, etc).

"But, my first “adult” bondage/BDSM experience happened by chance. I was still in high school and working at the local dry cleaners. A guy came in one night and spilled his guts about how he loved wearing women’s clothes and I ran with it."

AUTRE: Are you naturally dominant in your personal sexual adventures or do you save this sadist side of you for the dungeon and your clients only?

KNOX: I think sadistic is a subset of dominance. Dominant encompasses a bunch of smaller specifics like sadistic or disciplinarian, goddess, fetishist, etc. In other words, there are a lot of facets or particulars about or styles of dominance. I remember when I first started out feeling like I wasn’t a “real” top because I wasn’t a bitch to everyone I came in contact with which is laughable now.  I am naturally dominant, but not into non-consent. The sadistic side is definitely saved for consenting partners, not limited to clients.

AUTRE: What was the wildest client experience – could you briefly tell a story about that, or is that too personal?

KNOX: I like to keep what happens in my sessions private, as they are special for both my clients and me but I have some very memorable kidnapping and public play scenes that come to mind.

AUTRE: How often do you reject people - clients – your website says that you are “picky” – how picky are you?

KNOX: I’m a real task-master. So, I like forms, protocol, phone calls, rules, etc.  If someone doesn’t wait it out and do the proper preliminary groundwork, they’re out. Most dudes are calling dick-in-hand, so they don’t want to be bothered with the aforementioned. It’s business –I get it—but I like putting them to the test. It’s a bit onerous, but the ones that stick it out are the most loyal and, of course, obedient.

AUTRE: Do you have any female clients or is it predominantly a male client base?

KNOX: Predominantly male, although another pro told me she recently saw a younger gal who was curious. Women are rare. I’ve had people inquire, but none follow through.

AUTRE: You have a long list of specialties from human ashtray to forced weight loss – what is your favorite?

KNOX: I wouldn’t say I have a favorite, per say — I really do like voyeurism, to be watched, to watch, to be watched watching, and anything from mild to extreme (cuckolding, public play, peep holes, glory holes, forced-bi, etc). Forced weight loss is sort of a voyeuristic affair, getting to see the results and be in control of them.

AUTRE: You are unique because you are also an artist, and it almost seems like there is this stage persona in the dungeon and then the creator in the studio – how do you balance these two sides of your collective persona?

KNOX: I think of myself as an artist first and a Domme second. Domme is something I do that makes sense to me as an artist or is a subsidiary to my work as an artist. I am also a Domme, you know. It’s my language du jour. I think that balancing the two or understanding how they fold into one another is incredibly difficult but a challenge I enjoy. My impulse is to compartmentalize/separate—to figure things out—and it doesn’t work in this situation. This distinction is something I’ve been working on and thinking about, and I actually think this body of work talks about that split or frustration to be out with my more Domineering side. I try to give myself permission to say things as Rebecca or Audra or whoever else is kicking around at the moment, but it gets stuck in my throat or my body, or gets lost in translation. Something Artaud gets at in his writing is trying to mend the rift between language and the flesh. I don’t think it’s ever fully resolved, and I wonder if maybe I’ve created Rebecca as a placeholder for flesh or desire or drive, and Audra exists as an analyst or editor. It doesn’t seem like it could be that clear cut. I’m still trying to strike a balance or house everything under one roof. Politically speaking, I like the idea of blurring it all. One of my friends who is a pro uses her real name for Domme and talks about it as “activism with a lowercase a” and I thought that was genius—it’s not picketing or yelling or signing a form, it’s really living your life out and proud about what you do and reducing the stigma against sex workers.

AUTRE: Your art is very extreme, and you bring a lot of your interests as a dominatrix into your art, and you are particularly fond of Devonshire Productions (DP), which featured a lot of extreme BDSM imagery and bondage devices – can you talk a little bit about that?

KNOX: I certainly don’t have any BDSM agenda with my work or feel like you have to be kinky to get it. It’s not really even about sexually dominating someone. It’s about power and desire and how that is executed. As for BDSM, it’s the visual language I know it at this point. It’s my arena of expertise and I have first-hand experience dealing with power in this way as a Professional Dominant. In Model Agency, I use objects that hold bodies mixed with objects that amplify sound/voices/bodies to direct people or to provide an entrance point to desire, power, etc. I think there are a lot of micro metaphorical ways in which power is played out that make important critiques on a macro level on institutions or group dynamics and so forth, BDSM is just the particular microcosm that I’ve chosen—it’s the best dialect for the moment.

With Devonshire, I saw a couple images floating around the internet which led me on wild goose chase to find magazines, VHS tapes, old addresses, models, etc. I ran with it because I loved what I saw with no pretense. One of the first DP clips I saw was a video of Simone Devon sitting on a table, putting herself in bondage, and writhing around in front of the camera she set up—absolutely incredible. She was both a caring sadistic top as well as a beautifully tortured bottom. She seemed to be honest with her desires in both realms and I liked that confidence and tooling around with power. This is why bondage is so curious to me—the desire to be bound or restrained, objectified, but also held—there are so many conflicting emotions there and DP, namely Simone Devon, managed to encapsulate them all and understand their fragility. 

I see a similar thing happen in punk shows and recording studios or just live shows in general with performer and audience—complete chaos contained in some small stinky room. The walls become your frame or restraining device and that energy in the room is fragile but feels so free. Someone who I think maintains this energy well is Diamanda Galas. I heard about her first performing in completely dark rooms with her back turned to her audience because it was so terrifying for her to perform. But, again, there’s freedom or a breakage in those restrictions that are set up.

So, I guess BDSM and music performance are extreme by a certain veneer but what’s more extreme is the fact that it’s not settled or nailed down–—there’s a set up of a power dynamic, conflict, or a pointing at something in time, never an answer, just a revealing of a state of things (which in a sense, is a kind of burlesque, and perhaps we’re so captivated by strip tease, other than the obvious). I’d much rather show you something rather than tell you something, if that makes sense. I think using extremes, or tropes of extremes in their rigidity, and revealing the state of things can operate as a pathway out to something else more nuanced and quiet.

"This is why bondage is so curious to me—the desire to be bound or restrained, objectified, but also held—there are so many conflicting emotions there..."

AUTRE: You have an art show coming up –can you talk a little bit we can expect from your upcoming exhibition?

KNOX: This show is happening at a strange time. My work up to this point has been by and largely performance-based but right now I’m feeling like I don’t have a voice or like I know what to say while still being very opinionated or passionate. I keep saying to people that this work is revealing my age. I feel a major split happening between my Audra persona and my Domme persona, as mentioned before. I feel like the objects are doing more than I could at this point. Or at least being more eloquent than I could with my voice or presence. I feel like I’ve given myself away to this project or exposed myself to myself, so to speak. There’s a stifled voice or removal of voice—like getting up on stage and blanking, fainting, or the alternative, killing it. The threat of sinking or swimming—I like that panicked in-between spot despite how uncomfortable it can be. I think that’s actually where we buzz or find excitement.

AUTRE: When you were younger –you grew up in rural Pennsylvania –how did you get access to the world of art and erotica…was it difficult?

KNOX: I think anyone who grew up in a rural area and has interests outside of the norm will tell you that it’s difficult just for the sheer fact that there aren’t that many of you out there to commiserate with. I was lucky to find some accepting and interesting people while I was coming of age, so that helped make it bearable. In terms of art/erotica, I was always ordering books and things off of Amazon and squirreling them away in my room, hiding them under my bed. This was around the time Netflix was starting up and I remember getting 8 1/2 in the mail and my mom confiscating it. Though, she somehow didn’t managed to intercept Haneke’s The Piano Teacher, which I was fascinated with. I was reading Genet, Beaudrillard—I loved J.G. Ballard’s crash—and looking at old burlesque films, as this was also the time Dita Von Teese was making her comeback. I distinctly remember sleeping with these books in an effort to absorb their power. I had the Fassbinder poster for Querelle on my wall growing up for years, and I feel like maybe I absorbed something from that after staring at it for most of my formative years. I feel like my entrance to erotica was through art, or more specifically film, music, and literature. I was really left to my own devices when I was young and I think that curious solitude was helpful in finding a way out or gaining access to new ideas, art, erotica, whatever.

I got turned onto art once my high school art teacher directed me to a local installation art museum - The Mattress Factory. At this same time, I started going to shows in Pittsburgh—Sharon Needles, Gravy Train!!!!, and this really great band that came through Pittsburgh at the time, Veronica Lipgloss and the Evil Eyes. Totally wacky experimental performers with an incredible energy. I don’t know how or why my school let me, but I managed to make some perverse stuff in high school—immersive sculptures and things that would take over the football stadiums, auditoriums, that were about mostly about performance, voyeurism, and spectatorship, little vignettes. I had no idea what was possible or that people could think and make objects and be a part of this discussion—it kind of blew my mind that this conversation was happening, and I wanted to be inside of it! I remember seeing Marlene Dumas’ Jule-die Vrou and it floored me. Same thing happened when I saw Janet Cardiff's 40 Piece Motet. There were some really wonderful things that I saw in a three-year period.

AUTRE: When people asked you what you wanted to be when you grew up – did you have any idea that you would be in this world?

KNOX: Not specifically, but I do distinctly remember thinking to myself “Oh, right, one day I will have a desk job and do professional things at this job” and feeling not right about that statement or rather, I knew I was just consoling myself or creating a false security. I’ve worked shit jobs, but I knew instinctively that I was set in motion to do something else, but coming from a working-class family it was hard to begin to envision what that form that would take. I noticed early on that I was very good at being a chameleon—fitting into the different groups at school and, in a way, that set me up to be an artist, and really a Domme too. I liked being with different people, listening, becoming a part of a group, identifying with, and then abandoning completely and thinking about how weird it is to assimilate or be a part of a group. I’ve always liked this kind of analysis and research. Sometimes I wonder if this is what I am doing with my Domme work, like it may not last forever.

AUTRE: You are opening a new dungeon soon in LA – what kind of environment do you want to create in your dungeon?

KNOX: My roommate and friend, Mistress Lucy Khan, along with Mistress Iris, are opening up The Decameron. I’m just the lucky fuck that gets to live right next door to it! It’s a really beautiful space—1920s Spanish style with stone floors, patio with outdoor bath, custom bondage bed, wench, toys, the works. They’re converting the guest house portion of the property into a play space and made one rule going in: no black or red. There are no dungeons like it in Los Angeles just for the sheer fact of location and uniqueness of the structure. Both of the owners are artists and it makes a difference—they understand aesthetic, ambiance, and practicality. I think it’s really important to have a contained space; you need a space that contains wildness or holds energy and I think The Decameron does that.

AUTRE: What’s next?

KNOX: I do plan on combining Audra and Rebecca Knox this summer under one moniker, taking a leap of faith in launching something more holistic. We’ll see....

You can learn more or request the services of Ms. Rebecca Knox by visiting her website. text and interview by Oliver Maxwell Kupper. portraits by Pierre Auroux 

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